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  Do You Think Writing My Daughter is a Good Idea?

  by mrquik in

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  i left several years ago & have one daughter still in.

  she's 32 & married to a nonbeliever.

  after i got labeled as an apostate, she cut off all communication.

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  I don't know what the WTS position is on grandchildren. Do they also promote grandchildren not seeing their grandparents? I would think the elders would tell her it's a conscious decision as long as you don't promote your stance. I'm only guessing
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  Do You Think Writing My Daughter is a Good Idea?

  by mrquik in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i left several years ago & have one daughter still in.

  she's 32 & married to a nonbeliever.

  after i got labeled as an apostate, she cut off all communication.

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  Being in an almost similar postion, I don't think it's a good idea.

  Since you asked, I would write her a letter telling her you love her unconditionally, and that you'd like to see your grandchildren with the promise of not saying a negative word against the religion or her. Period.

  If you're only motive is to tell your side of the story, it will fall on deaf ears and push her even further. Otherwise, she would have contacted you by now.

  You're daughter is a women who has the right to choose her life. You've already lived yours. As I mentioned I'm going thru the same thing and I know how you feel, but the truth be told...she's an adult who may just be happy with her lot.

  The only time I say anything to my family is when they start in with me.

  Also, with the WTS recently putting the screws to followers april 15, WT, you'll only get resistence.

  I'm sorry, I was shattered myself....
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  Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?

  by TJ Curioso in

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  when we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.

  who are these?.

  someone has a list of those?.

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  Ahhh...I don't veiw threads like this as a pissing contest. They're actually very informative. The more info on them the better!

  What many don't realize is threads like this go on the net (google) when one is doing research. Check for yourself. See how much of JWN comes up. I kinda feel that's why many new ones are coming out as of late, because of great informative threads. That's how I found JWN on google search, which lead me here. I'm hoping my family one day runs into one of these...

  Thank you, Leolala. I will check out that info!
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  What is the rationale given for not listing partakers?

  by Simon Morley in

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  2. beliefs

  if i was still in this would a huge deal for me.

  before leaving i was bothered that the wt was saying the number of partakers was dwindling while the facts (worldwide reports) showed otherwise.

  could not get an asnwer out of my fellow elders or co as it was coming up in conversations.

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  yes, that's what I thought too OTM....they may have new light soon calling the FSD only a theocratic arrangment like they did in the Unthank court case, just a feeling and guess. It would fit in well, on the heels of their new "This Generation" new light
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  Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.

  who are these?.

  someone has a list of those?.

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  Thanx for the info Leolala and mP!

  Last year I had seen a documentary on the history channel (Historical Christ) and it did point out there was many others who claimed to be Christ too, but the Historical Chirst was the only one who actually fulfilled prophecy to the full. Really great documentary, but I don't know how accurate it is. I think it's something I'd like to watch again, it's on Youtube.

  And yes, it had also mentioned that there was various sects with their own interpetions while he was alive, as well as after his death.

  I will do more research on Constantine. Many sites I checked said he only had what was interepated to fullfill his own agenda.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body Annointed???

  by mind blown in

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  2. beliefs

  if the gb now admit their interpetations or writings (wt) is not spirit inspired ....(only admiting the early christians writings (bible was inspired)...how can they even believe they are of the annointed????

  russel and friends believed they were of the annointed, and we know how their end time interpetation dates went......and later gb...."this generation" and 1914......1975...... interpetations ended.

  watchtower: 23. march 1, 1979.

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  Blondie? Do you happen to know if there was ever one member on the GB that wasn't anointed? I swear a couple years ago I looked on Wiki, and the way they had the GB was listed, it had anointed next to the names except for this one person. Last year I went to check it out again and it was deleted or corrected, I'm sure of this. Oh, and it was listed as a current (as of a couple years ago) GB member too, it wasn't one that had passed. The only reason it left such an impression was because I was surpized to see this, and now it's gone....
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  1984 has totally rocked my world!

  by serenitynow! in

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  2. experiences

  so i read 1984, or at least part of it at the urging of my logic professor, years ago back when i was an inactive jw.

  it was a good scary read; i was like, wow, life sucks for that dude!

  i did not see any correlations to my jw world at that time.

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  Oh! You have check out the animated/cartoon DVD version of Animal Farm..it's really great!

  I bought mine a few years ago on Amazon. It's a special collections edition so it has some nice specail features added, it wasn't that much money...
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  Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.

  who are these?.

  someone has a list of those?.

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  I don''t know according to this, which I just found, lots of different thoughts on Wiki...

  Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus

  Constantin von Tischendorf, discoverer of Codex Sinaiticus, believed that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were among these fifty Bibles prepared by Eusebius in Caesarea. According to him, they were written with three (as Vaticanus) or four columns per page (as Sinaiticus). [ 8 ] [ 9 ] Tishendorf's view was supported by Pierre Batiffol. [ 10 ]

  Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener rejected Tischendorf's speculation because of differences between the two manuscripts. In Sinaiticus, the text of the Gospels is divided according to the Ammonian Sections with references to the Eusebian Canons, but Vaticanus used the older system of division. Vaticanus was prepared in a format of 5 folios in one quire, but Sinaiticus had 8 folios. According to Scrivener, Eusebian Bibles contained three or four folios per quire (Scrivener used a Latin version of Valesius). Scrivener stated that the Eusebian is unclear and should not be used for a doubtful theory. [ 11 ]

  Westcott and Hort argued the order of biblical books on the Eusebian list of the canonical books, quoted by Eusebius in "Ecclesiastical History" (III, 25), is different than every surviving manuscript. Probably none of the 50 copies survive today. [ 12 ]

  Caspar René Gregory believed that Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were written in Caesarea, and they could belong to the Eusebian fifty. [ 13 ] [ 14 ]

  According to Victor Gardthausen Sinaiticus is younger than Vaticanus by at least 50 years. [ 15 ]

  Kirsopp Lake states "copies of three and four columns" is grammatically sound, but there appears not to be good evidence for this technical use of the words. "Sending them by threes of fours" is the most attractive, but there is no evidence that τρισσα can denote "three at a time". Regarding "in three or four columns per page," there is only one known manuscript written in that way – Sinaiticus. Sinaiticus has a curious spelling of the word κραβαττος as κραβακτος; Sinaiticus spells Ισραηλειτης as Ισδραηλειτης, Vaticanus as Ιστραηλειτης; these forms have been regarded as Latin, and they can find in papyri from Egypt. There is no other known Greek district in which these forms were used. The argument for a Caesarean origin of these two manuscripts is much weaker than Egyptian. [ 16 ]

  According to Heinrich Schumacher, Eusebius instead prepared fifty lectionaries, not Bibles. [ 17 ]

  Skeat believed that Vaticanus was rejected by the emperor, for it is deficient in the Eusebia canon tables, contains many corrections (made in scriptorium), and lacks the books of Maccabees. [ 18 ]

  Kurt Aland, Bruce M. Metzger, Bart D. Ehrman doubt that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were copied by Eusebius on the Constantine order. [ 19 ]
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  Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.

  who are these?.

  someone has a list of those?.

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  Thanx Leolala for the information.

  If I'm mistaken, the question was If scholars believe in Jesus as a real person. Therefore I'm assuming since these one's spoke of him, they blieved there was such a one.

  Really, it's a modern day myth Constantine expunged certain books of the bible? Maybe I read many books were left out due to a money issues for the commision of putting the canon together? Is that a myth too? I'll have to do more research....

  The reason I site the Codex Sinaiticus is because with many books missing from our current version of the NT, who actually knows exactly all the historical facts of Jesus?
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  Someone has a list of scholars who believe in Jesus as a real person in history?

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when we say that most scholars believe in jesus as a real person, ask for real credentials.

  who are these?.

  someone has a list of those?.

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  Yes, I read Josephus may well be a fruad, just thought I'd throw it up anyway.

  Letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

  Babylonian Talmud

  Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:

  The Christians . . . worship a man to this day--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. . . . [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.

  Between missing books of the OT and NT:

  Epistle to the Ephesians. Ephesians 3:3/Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians and others..

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  The corruption of Constantine. Their were many other books that were considered authentic NT inspired books that were read and accepted by the original church that are not included in the NT as we know it today and as one can see by the Codex Sinaiticus

  http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus